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Dads on Strike
Disfranchised fathers oppose abuse by Child Support System
It has often been said that only a strike by disfranchised fathers
offers any hope to put an end to them being increasingly abused. Well, here it is. These
men feel they have had enough. They drew a line in the sand.
The action began April 21, 2002. There are now 40 men throughout the world who declared
to be on child support strike.
If you join this action, be sure you know what you'll be getting out of it. Even if you
have no assets and nothing else left worth living for, if you still have your freedom,
you'll be at risk to lose that too. However, in the end that will be the destiny for many
fathers anyway. It appears that, driven by radical feminism, the system is out to destroy
men one way or another.
What else can be done? Nothing else has worked in the past 30 years. The systematic
vilification and exploitation of fathers has grown steadily worse and no end to that is in
sight.
A few men taking this desperate action won't make much of a difference, but, if thousands
do, it will.
If the system truly wants to act "in the best interest of the children," well,
then let's make sure that children have their dads in their lives, let's not destroy their
dads. Dads that are pushed into suicide or whose lives and livelihood are destroyed
in any other way can't pay child support.
From: Braveheart50000@aol.com
Sent: May 22 (May 12, April 25, 21), 2002
To: [omitted]38 FATHERS UNITE AGAINST CHILD
SUPPORT AGENCIES
PLEASE ADD YOUR NAME AND COMMENT
NOW
[Please, please, keep your statement
short! WHS]
Click "reply" - Allocate yourself the next number, change the subject number
and repost on lbduk@topica.com
[ IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF LIVE BEAT DADS - send to Dave Ellison - <mad-dogs@ntlworld.com> ]
alternatively, send to <skitt@supanet.com>
and I'll add your name and comment to the list.- skitt
CAN WE GET 100 or 1000 NAMES AND COMMENTS BEFORE FATHERS DAY SUNDAY 16 JUNE 2002?
PLEASE DISTRIBUTE FREELY
ALAN chair@international-mens-network.org
says:
"That's it, my "child" support stops today. I will no longer finance this
sick and f....d up country."
BRIAN maclean2uk@yahoo.co.uk
says:
"I would rather be a pauper than hand money to a thief."
SKITT skitt@supanet.com
says:
"I WILL DIE BEFORE I GIVE THEM 1p WILLINGLY"
MATTHAUS matthaus.huber@btinternet.com says:
"SHE TAKES THE KIDS AWAY AGAINST MY WILL - SHE PAYS FOR THEM. NOT A PENNY FROM
ME"
DUNCAN braveheart50000@aol.com
says:
"CSA another arm of the male stealth murdering abuse industry. Kill the man, kill the
family, kill the love"
HAMISH pareweescone@hotmail.com
says:
"CSA BLOODSUCKERS - get yer leeches oot ma breeches - ye canny get blood fae
stanes!"
RICHARD (USA) jigcho@webtv.net
says:
The offspring follow the condition of the mother, this is the law in the case of slaves
and animals; but with regard to freemen, children follow the condition of the father.
(Maxims of Law from Bouvier's Law Dictionary)
Dave Ellison says:
Re No. 4:
I second that motion - I will not reward an adulterous thief either.
Bernd manegial@web.de
says:
Never in my life...
I can not and I will not buy and sell children. I can not and I will not abduct children.
I can not and I will not legalize child abduction and boycott of access.
Never in my life I will buy and sell the child of which I am father; even if
I have only donated my sperm to bring this child to life and to the world; even if I do
not "own" the child for this very simple reason.
Never in my life I will own human beings, but I will take the responsibility
for humanity and for Human Rights.
I will give all my life to bring as many of the involved as I can get on
trial for Crimes against Humanity.
Never in my life I will participate in abuse and exploitation of children and
Human Material for political/economic reasons.
Never in my life.
Bernd Michael Uhl
Todd toadster@attcanada.net says:
I will not support (pay taxes) to the Canadian Government to assist my wife in taking my
child away from me, nor will I support (pay
child support) to my ex to break court orders,
deny me parenting time and do drugs. Todd Eckert
Len lbd@lbduk.org
says:
I do not pay
child support, will not pay
child support and have no respect for CSA or the
judiciary. I am all the way behind you and hope there are sufficient numbers prepared to
stand up and be counted. I have already told judges that only over my dead body will she
ever get anything from me.
I have also told them that "SHE" is not getting part of my house as
she has not contributed.
They have told me that they could lock me up for that.
Do they think that I really give a f..k?
Might be a chance to learn few new trades which would come really useful in
the fight which certainly would gear up few notches afterwards.
If the baboons decide in their "wisdom" to act against the law and
award her after all, for all the evil she has done and which is actually harming the
children, I will hold them personally responsible.
If they want war - they'll get war.
Once left with nothing - there is nothing to lose.
And, justice could be very swift, so I am told. PEOPLE'S JUSTICE
Mike spaniola@vail.net
says:
Courts must enforce father child-visitation rights with the same zeal as the enforcement
of child support payments, a system that, in itself, is in dire need of overhaul if the
rights and best interests of children are of true and primary concern. In addition, many
fathers today will likely need special consideration in retirement, as more dads are being
financially crippled by a corrupt legal system that imposes onerous expenses and unjust
support and alimony payments.
Mike Spaniola, Equal Justice Foundation, USA
Phil PHIL@high49.freeserve.co.uk says:
No longer will i be a milk cow for this government and a benefit-cheating ex partner
Bud wvcountryman50@yahoo.com says:
Bud Johnson President of AFTER>2001 an international coalition of families http://after2001.freeservers.com
I hope women will also join and voice their opinions as to the system stealing money
intended for the children.
Child support like custody should be equal 50-50 for every
penny one parent is required to pay the other parent should have to match it and provide
proof they are using the money for the children. The only job of the system should be to
stay out of family lives.
Shared Parenting with each parent paying for the children's needs while in
their care. All children have two parents not one parent and a money source.
Equal rights to access for the children to both parents, and both parents
raising "THEIR" children. Equal = Equal! Equal Shared Parenting for the future
of our children.
Best to All
Bud
Rick advocate66@hotmail.com says:
Count me in .I never have, nor never will condone or participate in state-sponsored
extortion.
Rick Procter
Eugene eugene@chalwar.com says:
We are not absent parents. We are dispossessed parents.
We did not abandon our children. They were taken from us.
Extracting money by force from an excluded parents who is happy to provide
direct support to his children and giving his money to the excluding parent without
holding her in any way accountable for how it is spent is not
child support.
Paul. W. paulmw@ji-net.com says:
All though I don't pay CSA I was ordered by a British high court judge to pay £750.00 per
month as I earn half that & had to borrow to keep up payments.
I have now stopped paying this extortionate amount due to my ex's PAS
(Parental Alienation Syndrome) on my daughter & the refusal of the British high court
to honour & uphold the Thai family courts ruling of unhindered contact.
Paul Warren, Thailand
Kevin Flamingo.p.m@btinternet.com says:
I have a 2yr old son and am about to begin the daunting task of getting access through
court. I had him everyday till his mother decided the CSA had taken long enough to sort my
assessment. Anyway, no cash no kid, basically.
thurs I see cwo (Child Welfare Office) and then i don't know. iam writing to
papers and local phone-in radio station to highlight the plight of dads like me
Spencer southafrica0009@tinyworld.co.uk says:
I refuse to pay one penny towards any child kidnapping!!!!!!!!
Shaun justjesting@hotmail.com says:
I'm off sick from school and have resigned. £16000 of costs and the CSA when she is not
on benefits.
No way. Justice for all first. Shaun
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Shaun's Story
Hal hallegere@shaw.ca
says:
I am paying full
child support for two children who are with me 1/2 time, no let me
correct that, as of the court hearing on 12 April 02, they are with me slightly more than
one-half the time. I am also paying this amount on an income which I no longer have. I was
forced to quit that very good job ($Cdn 76,500/yr) as my schedule was used to severely
limit my time with the children. (9 full days and several visits of a few hours in a 4
month period if I remained working). The
child support is being stolen from a trust fund
which was held by my ex's former lawyer. An interesting sidenote to this is that he
allowed the arrears to build up til it was enough to pay the bill she owed him before he
began complying with the order to pay the support from the funds. So my share of the
support for the children paid off her legal bill. "Best interests of the
(children/lawyers)" please strike out the term which is incorrect.Hal LEGERE
Gregory Romeo GRomeo747@aol.com says:
These bullshit feminists and this tyranical court system have created the most dangerous
of huiman beins known to the planet.... A Father that has had his children taken from him
through ANY means, has nothing left to loose but his life.
I will not support ANY court system that allows what is happening to continue until there
is a TRUE and COMPLETE 50/50 resolution made in the courts world-wide as well as
reparations to the past 18 years of cases against fathers. FathersDay2002, Washington, DC
Darryl B. McDowell ApostleDBM@uniserve.com says:
[As for] my people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my
people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. IsaYAH
3:12
And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall
surely be put to death. Exodus 21:16
The Ministry for Child Kidnapping and Family Break-Up Services days are numbered.
What we need is a return to God's Holy Law. The law of man is perverse and wicked. God's
Standard is holy and true and righteous altogether.
Submit unto God and His Law, not man's law. Resist the devil. The end is near. Jesus will
execute vengeance upon the unbeliever when He returns.
2Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be
revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them
that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be
punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of
his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all
them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
JimBWarrior JimBWarrior@fom.org.nz
says:
"I have not paid CS for some time due to a deal with IRD CS NZ because of my
"Equal Parenting". I have no intention of starting again although would not have
a lot of say in the matter as I am on a benefit. I have never supported the IRD CS concept
of supporting Children.
In fact I have bitterly complained to MP's and Senior Bureaucrats that the Current CS
legislation is destructive toward Parent Child relationships since they first asked me to
pay nearly 7 years ago.
My sons' mother pays CS even though we "Equal Parent" I have complained to the
CEO of CS and the Minister several times to no avail. Asking why the Parenting Tax when we
are doing the job. Strange that an associate Minister has written to those supporting me
with letters from Overseas but I personally have heard nothing?
BrainsSA@aol.com
says:
Deal with the CSA the way they deal with you. Reply to them in various languages other
than English. The system should not be given the credibility of being able to exist in an
educated society. Ask the children of 78 dead fathers what they think. I have personally
met a girl of approx. 14 years of age whose father was driven to his death by this agency.
She walked up to us at a protest in Cardiff to voice her support.
She told how she had to endure the trauma of having her dads death splashed over some of
the National & local papers and reads the cuttings time and time again. This was very
hard for her to bear a child given a "cross for life", to balance the treasury
books of the "Party elected" . Dear Alistair Darling "What price a
pound/euro of flesh for the merchant of Venice ?
NACAP National Association of Caring Parents (Wales)
Jonathan Searcy searcy@searcy.com.au says:
I once asked my ex-wife how she would feel if someone took her children away and then
forced her to pay for someone else to look after them. She was utterly horrified at mere
thought, yet that is what single parent custody and compulsory
child support invariably
does.
Adam adamsmyth@ev1.net
says:
Haven't seen my kids in over a year. The alienation is pretty well completed by now.
All the best, and may a juggernaut of men squash the courts into nevehnehaha land.
Adam
Andrew andrew@human-rights.demon.co.uk says:
Gentlemen WHEN YOU READ later what they did to a woman, courts and CSA you will not
believe it. The case proves without a shred of doubt that the invisible service industry
is very much alive and doing very well for the operators, of course. Publication of the
evidence on the Internet will cause the offenders / administrators, Rampant(R)
Corruption(C) Jockeys(J) to recognise that the citizens are taking stock and REPORTING /
EXPOSING THEIR ACTIVITIES to the World Jury and never mind their behind closed doors
arrangements with legal representatives of the victims.
Mike benton@connorm9000.freeserve.co.uk
says:
The CSA is an abomination to a free society. Birthed in oppression, it does not seek
justice and lacks complete human compassion. Never before have I seen an organisation that
freely extorts money and causes so much depression and heartache.
It's nothing more than a disgraceful sugar daddy meal ticket for the latter part of the
20th century for women, to trample over men's bodies to herald in the women's movement:
Girl power. It most certainly is not girl power for when you use something to inflict
misery into people's hearts and life; it's Brute power.
Mark mpatnode@99main.com says:
...states receive a 10% grant for every dollar in
Child Support that the courts generate.
Victim Advocates also receive federal funds for representing women and how social workers
train judges, Guardians, Victim Advocates, etc. how to abandon the law in favor of the
money these incentives supply. He points out this is the reason why judges sometimes
ignore the states CS guidelines by refusing to lower CS payments even if the man
loses his job or takes another at lower pay. Additionally, he examines how DSS gets
$100,000.00 for every child they adopt out www.justiceforfamilies.com
Robert robert.wilson4@ntlworld.com says:
Men make their own history, but they do not make it under circumstances chosen by
themselves - they make it under circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted
from the past. The tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the
minds of the living". Marx, 1852: The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte,
also: Marx & Engels, 1968: 96.
Kevin soyman@yakbox.shacknet.nu says:
The Child Abduction Support Agency - Are we not sanctioning the theft of our children ?
Kevin Morgan - Perth, Western Australia
PATRICK sarcophagus.sout@netline.net.uk says:
Until Fatherhood has equality in the Divorce System, enforcement of injustice is nothing
more than a travesty. The Canadian Governments reward these errant Mothers, behind
Fathers backs, with increased Child Tax Credits, subsidized Child care, subsidized lawyers
and with no obligation to provide their income or how the money is spent for the Children.
The Federal Child Support guideline amounts are based on teenage children and 100%
responsibility for care by one party. It takes 40% responsibility to start reducing these
amounts which the Courts are rightfully reluctant to do as in a lot of cases that will
bankrupt both parties. [1] At 50% responsibility, NO money should be changing hands. It is
a nightmare with no easy solution. We must build stronger marriages by building more
respect for Fatherhood by all! God bless us all to direct the way. Stop being Sperm Donors
to women who have no respect for men. It's easy to tell, they tell you they were abused by
a previous partner, or they've had multiple partners.
Patrick Egan Fathers' Rights Action Team
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1.) Editors Note: Patrick Egan understates the situation. Unfortunately, the
Canadian child support guidelines are skewed far worse than Patrick Egan's comment
indicates. See the May 13, 2002 article in The Report
Newsmagazine:
The formula from hell A divorced dad uncovers a deliberate policy to drive separated parents
farther apart » by CANDIS MCLEAN
Christian gut@inf.ethz.ch says:
supporting list . No comment
Christian Gut, Zurich, Switzerland
Peter pcornakovic@sprint.ca says:
Keep up the outstanding civil disobedience! You are not alone in this matter. When a state
enforces child support at the expense of access, the state is no longer looking at the
children's best interest. As Sanford Braver's report on
Divorced Dad's has pointed out, 90% of Deadbeat
Dad's are in reality DEADBOLTED DAD'S by a state which gives control of our Children to
the mother. This is criminal based on gender profiling and an infringement on our
fundamental Human Rights, for both parents and children.
Peter Cornakovic
Christian gut@inf.ethz.ch says:
It is not right to ask for CS [from] a parent who can never or almost never see his/her
child, or [from] the parent of a child that has been abducted to another country. In
a modern society it should be normal that both parents contribute equally to CS, and that
both get shared legal and physical custody.
It is not right to throw [in]to prison a parent who does not earn the maximum
salary he/she could. We demand the abolition of article 217 of the swiss penal law!
I wish success to the dads on strike!
Christian Gut, Zurich, Switzerland
Ben b_easton@hotmail.com
says:
The fight against the abuse, and exploitation of our children must startsomewhere. This is
a good place to unite.
Detlef detull@multiline.com.au
says:
The meaning and purpose of life is to reproduce and to live on through one's children. To
take a loving and loved parent's children away, be that parent a mother or father, for no
good reason or for administrative convenience or political correctness, is the ultimate
crime against humanity. Putting an innocent man in jail or even putting him to death, is
no worse. Condemning a man to life-long servitude in poverty to pay for the theft of his
children and [to rob him] of his purpose of living, to legitimise that crime is akin to
make an unfairly doomed man pay for the rope to hang him with.
Having said that, tough talk and quotations from holy books are not going to
change anything as long as people go along with it.
To go along with injustice for convenient acquiescence is to support
injustice.
To fight injustice, sacrifices must be made and a price is to be paid. And
the price to defeat CSA and Family Court injustice must be civil disobedience at any
personal cost. That is to say: you must be willing to suffer absolute poverty to deny the
system the ability to milk you. There is no other way.
If everybody who has his children taken without his consent and who is
systemically alienated from them refuses to co-operate to pay up, to allow his money to be
garnisheed by not having any, the system will collapse tomorrow.
We need a concerted strike of all alienated fathers to beat the terror of
systemic child stealing.
Detlef Ullrich
Steve O. ozzy_downeast@yahoo.com says:
Since I don't face an order for support I can't actually strike against it, but rest
assured I don't ever plan to financially support the family court system in any way. I
won't pay for my children to be abused no matter who orders me to, and it really doesn't
matter to me if the powers that be like it not. They don't have to like it, they just have
to live with it, as do I. I am pleased to see this become an organised tactic in our
battle-hold the line. Good work to all involved.
I have taken matters even further into my own hands, and gone a step
farther-I have
stopped working. Canada has a social safety net for the unluckiest of us to fall into, and
though it isn't the route to riches it costs money to maintain. I ran and jumped into the
net, and I try to use every single resource it holds, to cost my country as much as I
possibly can. I make sure the people in the system know why at every opportunity, and I
warn them to expect more of us to follow the same path.
Remove the profit, and soon there will be change to make it profitable again. We need to
make sure the only profit is in fathers being treated equally, show them every other
solution costs money. They recognise any threat to their wallets very quickly. Stop paying
taxes and start consuming resources, and we'll be noticed in no time!
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Robert who_s_my_daddy2000@yahoo.ca
says:
IT IS LEGAL TO STEAL CHILDREN IN CANADA AND TO RECEIVE PAYMENT FOR THE EFFORT.
I will not endorse child abduction with my hard earned money", or any system that
endorses the abduction of our kids. To-date, after two years within the legal system, I
have a child support payment, for my little girl who was stolen from me literally, to
which I am denied a relationship with, and have had another man listed as her
natural father for over 4 years, in spite of my efforts [to fight that].
Welcome to Canada.
I am a licensed Auto Technician, and a fire-fighter, and am no longer working as a result
of a degenerating hip disorder. I have no intention of ever working again and am
determined to cost our Social and Economic system mega-bucks in my up-keep. I will
continue to milk our system dry so long as this blatant injustice continues, I promise. If
our system doesn't like it, to bad. I say " F..K-EM". "F..K F.M.E.P."
[F.M.E.P.: Family Maintenance Enforcement Program]
Sincerely,
Robert Robinson
More info regarding my situation may be viewed at www.geocities.com/who_s_my_daddy2000
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Who wants to plow, sow, harvest, build, manufacture, work in
the mines unless the work, unsatisfying and unfulfilling in itself, is made
meaningful by a man's knowledge that it must be done if he is to provide for his family?
The Garbage Generation,
by Daniel Amneus, pp. 64-66
Men have the right to be compensated for the sacrifices they make for
their families. At the very least, they need to be rewarded with respect and the
love that grows out of that. All too often the "families" men provide for
are no longer their families. Obviously a father who is forced to provide for a
family that is no longer his but someone else's or a succession of other men's or even
Father State's provides insufficient compensation and no satisfaction.
Still, all too often men find themselves at odds because they try to
please women, and a "woman's" ire is easy to come by, even at an early age.

Photographer unknown
Prof. Daniel Amneus, devoted his book "The Garbage Generation" to the
description of the consequences of feminist extremism and how little there is about the
outcomes of communism and feminism that can be used to tell them apart. On page 64
to 66 he says:
According to feminists Barbara Love and Elizabeth Shanklin:
"The matriarchal mode of child-rearing, in which each individual is nurtured
rather than dominated from birth provides the rational basis for a genuinely healthy
society, a society of self-regulating, positive individuals."
Things are this way in the ghettos, where half of the young bear the
surnames of their mothers, and where the proportion of such maternal surnames increases
every year, along with crime and the other accompaniments of matriarchy.
"You Frenchmen," said an Iroquois Indian three hundred years
ago to the Jesuit Father Le Jeune, "love only your own children; we love all the
children of the tribe." In a promiscuous matriclan this is the best way to see
that all children are cared for; but it will not create the deep family loyalties needed
to usher a society out of the Stone Age. "At the core of patriarchy," says
Adrienne Rich, "is the individual family unit which originated with the idea of
property and the desire to see one's property transmitted to one's biological
descendants." This creation of wealth cannot be motivated by a desire to
transmit it to an ex-wife or to a welfare system which undermines the families whose
resources it feeds upon.
The patriarchal family, whose linchpin is female chastity and loyalty,
makes men work. That is why civilization must be patriarchal and why it slides into
chaos, as ours is doing, where family arrangements become matrilineal. What feminist
Marie Richmond-Abbott says of men in general is especially true of men in capitalist
patriarchy:
"A man's life is defined by his work, his occupation. The first question a man is
usually asked is, "What do you do?" People shape their perception of him
according to his answer."
A man's life may be defined by his work even under matriarchy, but
it is only loosely defined. Here, described by the 19th century German explorer, G. W.
Schweinfurth, is the way males perform when females regard them as inessential. The tribe
described is the Monbuttu [I assume he was writing about the then German colony S.W.
Africa WHS]:
"Whilst the women attend to the tillage of the soil and the gathering of the
harvest, the men, except they are absent either for war or hunting, spend the entire day
in idleness. In the early hours of the morning they may be found under the shade of the
oil-palms, lounging at full length upon their carved benches and smoking tobacco. During
the middle of the day they gossip with their friends in the cool halls."
Similarly, under communism, the state's guarantee of economic
security weakens the male's commitment to work and undermines his productivity. "The
other day," writes Eric Hoffer,
"I happened to ask myself a routine question and stumbled on a surprising answer.
The question was: What is the uppermost problem which confronts the leadership in a
Communist regime? The answer: The chief preoccupation of every government between the Elbe
and the China Sea is how to make people work how to induce them to plow, sow,
harvest, build, manufacture, work in the mines, and so forth. It is the most vital problem
which confronts them day in day out, and it shapes not only their domestic policies but
their relations with the outside world."
Who wants to plow, sow, harvest, build, manufacture, work in the
mines unless the work, unsatisfying and unfulfilling in itself, is made meaningful
by a man's knowledge that it must be done if he is to provide for his family?
The Garbage Generation,
by Daniel Amneus, pp. 64-66
Extensive social changes like those brought about by the ideologies of communism,
nazism and feminism don't just happen, they evolve. However, they don't just evolve
on their own. They are brought about by changing the attitudes of populations.
Those attitude changes must be nurtured, propagated and instilled in people, and often
they are forced upon them. Even if the people in the end fully embrace and support
them, the radical ideas they are made to comply with still originated somewhere, and the
impetus to make them generally accepted has to come from somewhere and someone. (See
Fascism, Nazism, Communism, Feminism
for more.)

Gossip
Photo: Ken Heyman, Dec. 17, 1971
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We certainly came a long way in abrogating paternal
rights. It took only about two decades to materialize, not only that but to destroy
the very foundation of civilization.
"The United States Supreme Court noted that a
parent's right to "the companionship, care, custody and management of his or her
children" is an interest "far more precious" than any property right.
Mav v. Anderson. 345 U.S. 528, 533; 73 S.Ct. 840, 843 (1952) that the parent-child
relationship is constitutionally protected liberty interest (see Declaration of
Independence --- life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and 14th Amendment of U.S.
Constitution --- No state can deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due
process of law nor deny any person the equal protection of the laws)." Kelson v.
Springfield, 767 F.2d. 651 (U.S. Ct. App. 9th Circuit 1985)
[Men] must reject the socially destructive idea, now accepted as a matter
of course by women, lawmakers and judges, that the purpose of marriage is to provide women
with ex-husbands.
Daniel Amneus
(closing paragraph in Chapter 5, "The Mutilated
Beggar Argument"
in The Garbage Generation)
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